Did you know that life starts after 60? Lisa Winston believes that to truly live life, you have to love it. Life will throw as many curveballs and challenges towards you, that you just have to learn from it. Each challenge will only make you stronger, wiser, and more resilient. And, once you reach 60, you’ll be the strongest person you know. Moneeka Sawyer brings Lisa in to tell us more. Lisa is a bestselling author and coach. If there’s one person who has gone through difficult times and succeeded, it’s Lisa Winston. Listen to her story and how she is teaching people how to love life, even beyond 60 years old.
I am so delighted to welcome back to the show Lisa Winston. She is a gifted vocalist, number one international bestselling author of Your Turning Point, TV host, intuitive mindset strategist and inspirational speaker. A life of extreme challenges, including losing her home to wildfires, breast cancer and Neuro-Lyme Disease made her hungry for a deeper connection to source and determined to find her true calling. She shares the message that life is always happening for you and challenges are sent to refine you, not define you.
Lisa has produced many influential global summits and is also featured on online summits, national radio, podcasts and training. She co-hosts and produces The Mindset Reset TV Show, a weekly series that reaches millions worldwide. She is grateful to be a mom to her beautiful daughter, Sarah, and to live, teach and speak across the globe with her soulmate, life partner and love, Dr. Joe Vitale.
Lisa, welcome to the show. How are you?
It has been so long since I saw you. I’m excited to be here. Thank you for having me.
When you did your episode on my show, people loved it. I keep thinking I want to bring you back on, but both of us have had stuff. Here we are. I’m so excited. Thank you. As we were emailing back and forth, you’re like, “I want to talk about this thing that’s juicing me.” I was like, “What was it?” What you send me is, “Life begins at 60,” and I’m so in. Let’s talk about that. You’ve been through a lot. Let’s start with your story about how you came to this.
The big story was that I had a lot of extreme life challenges. At 54, I decided I got an intuitive hit to leave a toxic relationship that was after the wildfire, the breast cancer and all that. I was burnt out. I was miserable. I hated my life. I started reading more Eckhart Tolle and stuff like that, doing a lot of qigong and getting into my spirituality. I picked up my daughter and all my stuff left in search of my life’s mission, my journey. I moved forward. For the next eight years, I spent building my coaching business. There were lots of ups and downs there.[bctt tweet=”With each challenge that you face, you either let it define you or refine you.” username=””]
It’s a crazy ride, but I was all in because when you get that open door, you get that hit to go do something. You follow it even when you don’t know where it’s going and it makes no sense. Let’s bring everybody up to speed. I ended up with the love of my life, Dr. Joe Vitale, and that was all through synchrony, intuitive hits and guidance for both of us. I took care of my dying mother before that. I then came to Texas to relocate to be with him. We started traveling.
Back in 2019, I fell ill to Neuro Lyme Disease. That has been a two-year battle. I almost died. I couldn’t see and drive for six months. Joe was my total supporter and he was amazing. It’s one of the hardest challenges of my life. I have to tell you that many things have come from that. I’ve become such a different person.
With each challenge, you either let it refine you or define you. That’s my big deal. Life challenges happen for us, not to us. It’s hard to see that sometimes but I do see it because I finally got to that one thing that I’ve been looking for. I’ve been doing things I enjoy, but that one thing that everybody talks about that nobody can get to. At the age of 62, I’m on fire.
I do love the story about your mom. I know you don’t want to go back but for me, it feels relevant and let me tell you why. You and I are in this sandwich generation where we’ve got our elderly parents and our children going to college. There are a lot of readers to this show that is in that generation and are making tough decisions about what life is going to look like. Is that okay that I ask that to share about this journey with your mom?
Every time somebody brings it up, I get emotional. It’s been years and I miss her a lot still, but I was so blessed. The funny thing is that I was building my coaching business. I was having trouble several years ago. I got to this point where I wasn’t sure I was on the right track. I wasn’t enjoying what I was doing. I was living in an arrangement where it was not pleasant. I was ready to get a job as an Uber driver because I didn’t know what to do. I put in the paperwork. I had been back from my 40th-year reunion. I saw my mom then. It was November 2017.
I also had this weird intuitive hit. I got this knowing that I was supposed to pack up and go be with my mom. I was like, “That’s weird. I was with my mom. What’s the deal? I got to leave my roommate. What’s she going to say?” At dinner the next night, I told her and she said, “No, I got that hit for you too.” That was a confirmation that something was going on. I packed up my stuff in San Diego, put it all in storage, drove from California to Pennsylvania, halfway across the country. I got a call from my sister, “Lisa, mom has been diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. She’s dying.” The universe knew. I didn’t know. This is the importance of following your inner guidance when you get it, even when it doesn’t make any sense.
From February 1st, 2017 through August 2017, I took care of my mother until she passed away from breast cancer. I’m caring for her every day, bathing her, cooking for her, taking her to appointments, even the final moments of care and then closing the state. After that is when I relocated to Texas but what a bittersweet time. I didn’t want her to go, but we had so many beautiful moments together. I’d be in bed with her. We’d be singing together, crying together. I was going to lose my mom. It’s funny because no matter how angry you are at your parents, when they’re dying, you realize you’ve been stupid. You’re not going to see them again, at least not here in the physical plane. You need to be grateful for them, treat them with love and respect. It was a pretty amazing journey and I’m grateful that I got the opportunity to take it.
I was at a mastermind. We talked about all of those things that affect our businesses. Everybody in this mastermind is a multimillionaire. I’m a tiny little baby in this group and I’m so grateful to have the opportunity to hang out with these people. It was interesting when you get to be wealthy. There are some things that you realize. First of all, your wealth means nothing unless you do good with it. Having fun in buying stuff does not fill us up. Doing good with our money does, but our life affects our business. A lot of the things that come up are these personal things.
One of the guys had to put his dad into a nursing facility. He says, “It feels like there’s nothing I can do that’s right.” He’s so filled with love. He’s got to run a business. He’s got kids in college. He still has to live life. He didn’t get the opportunity to do what you got to do, which is such a gift, but we don’t all get that. What I want the ladies to know is that I get this for you. We know this is hard. It feels like no matter what we do, it’s not right.
The thing that I told him that’s a simple piece of advice because I didn’t have a lot else to offer was, “Focus on what you’re doing, not with what’s going on right like, ‘My dad’s getting good care. My business is going well.’ Don’t focus on that. Focus on, ‘I love my dad enough that I’ve put him in this place where he can get the care that he needs. I visit him every day,’ if that’s what he’s doing. ‘We have a rotation. People bring him food.’ Focus on all the things that you personally are doing right in this situation.” Do you agree with me on that?
Yes. Day by day, you have to be grateful for every moment, every little thing that happens. That’s true for any part of our life, especially with our parents when they’re passing. I remember when my mother passed away and my dad had passed away in 2011. My sister and I were standing in front of the house getting ready to sell it, holding each other in the street. We felt like we were orphans.
We need to embrace each moment, focus on what is going right and good, and focus on love because that is everything. When you feel that love for your parent, sibling or whoever’s going through whatever it is, nothing matters. You’re talking about money, but money fails. It doesn’t matter if you’re not healthy or if you’re in the middle of something devastating like that. The last thing you’re thinking about is money.
I am in 100% agreement with it. Plus, it also helps you to rise above things. I remember at that moment when I was with my mother. I was in this miracle space of pure love. I was there for her and I was feeling the universe. Every day, I’d be in tears. It was bittersweet because we had some family issues, which always happen when you get together with family, especially about death. When you stay immersed in the love, it’s like heaven on earth. There were days I didn’t want to move from this feeling that I had because I had never felt that intense love before. It opens up opportunities to connect with the divine and amp up your love energy. Things come from that by the way down the road. I’m being honest to you. Love is the highest vibration.[bctt tweet=”Follow your inner guidance, even if it doesn’t make sense.” username=””]
Thank you for telling the story. I know you didn’t want to talk about it, but I appreciate it.
It’s hard, but I love it because when I think about it, it was a beautiful experience. It’s doggone hard when you lose your parents. There’s no getting over it.
Let’s talk a little bit about that resiliency. That was a path that started there.
It started way before that with me. There were challenges after the other. In truth, if we sit around and want to be stronger or courageous and never take action to do anything, we don’t grow. We have to throw ourselves into the fire and say, “I don’t know how to handle this. I don’t know what I’m going to do.” That’s that refining process and it’s true. I don’t have any other word about it.
That’s like when I had breast cancer. I didn’t want that to define me. People are like, “Go talk to people about breast cancer or go on the breast cancer walks with the t-shirt.” I’m like, “No, I don’t want to be in the vibration of that, but I want to allow that experience to uplift me and refine me. I’m somebody who had that experience. It doesn’t have to be something that’s mine. I’m not going to own it.”
The thing is that I define bliss as a deep sense of joy, contentment and confidence that you can handle anything that comes your way. For me, bliss is about emotional mastery and emotional resilience. Without that, we can’t live in that place of bliss. That’s why I’m so interested in your perspective on resiliency and how you talk about this whole thing about creativity intuition leads to that resiliency.
I knew it all along, but we’re always in our head when we’re building our businesses and we’re trying to monetize everything. I’m creative, so I don’t have that other side of my brain. It’s always a struggle for me to do that. I’d rather create. We do open up when we are creative in any respect. When I talk about creativity, a lot of people are afraid. They’re like, “I’m not an artist. I don’t know how to do art. I don’t know how to sing.”
Do you remember when you were a child? You were three years old, dancing around and playing in the sandbox with your pants down in the swimming pool, eating popsicles with no top on. You’re having fun. You’re running around. You’re doing all kinds of crazy things. You’re dancing and singing. You’re random because you enjoy life. You’re in love with life.
I know that sounds stupid, but it’s not. We have this inner child that we need to connect to because we’re these stuffy adults. For me, as much as I love to laugh, I’ve become a controlling stuffy adult over the years. When I found the watercolor that I had been doing for years, it wasn’t turning me on anymore. When I had the synchronistic kit with this other medium and I started doing it, I went nuts. I went out and bought a whole lot of supplies, learning everything. I had this knowing that I was in the right direction. I didn’t know where it was going to go or how it was going to happen. I’m just allowing the universe to bring it to me, however.
I feel like my resiliency has grown by leaps and bounds because it was almost like we can’t have certain situations happen for us until we’re at a certain point to be able to handle, accept, contain or embrace it, whatever it is that we were looking at. It’s great to say yes to life challenges, whatever they are, no matter how bad they hurt. Just know that your heart can take it. You become very courageous and wise. There’s much that goes on. There’s so much wisdom and insight you get from these challenges. That’s another piece of your life. You move forward and something else happens for you. Things start to open up from there. Being in your flow is in your joy, passion, love and what you love to do. Money, health, relationships, it’s everything you can imagine.
At this mastermind, one of the things that one of the speakers talked about was the square dancing lawyer. She’s got this work that she’s done for so many years. It’s gotten too boring and stale, but she loves it because it’s paying for her kids’ college educations and what it does for her life. It doesn’t juice her anymore. A lot of times, our careers don’t end up juicing us, but we all have something else. What we do is we end up putting in 80 hours a week for our work because we know that’s paying for life and we forget that we’re human. As humans, we have that creative element. No matter how creative you think you’re not, you have that creative element.
Her business and finances stagnated until she started taking two nights off a week to go do square dancing. It’s true. We always have had that side of us. We don’t have to be good. This is the other thing. You don’t have to make it into a profession. You don’t have to make it a year full-time thing. You don’t even have to be good, but you have to express who you are in some way other than what you’re doing in your work. For me, so much of my creative expression is doing these shows. It’s very creative. There’s a lot going on. I love talking to people. Still, I have to dance every day or I’m not myself. I’m not as creative. The conversations are not as good. The people that I attract to the show are not as exciting.
I’ve made decisions because of what I thought I should do rather than what my intuition told me I should be doing would be best for me. If I had been at the time, I would tell you this, “Lisa, nobody knows us.” The time that I made that decision, I went to New Media Summit. Two months before, I had gotten in a serious car accident in a highway pileup. When I went there, I was in so much pain. I couldn’t dance. There was no creative expression. All there was, was me trying to survive.
When you’re in that mode, bad decisions happen. You and I know what happened. As I started to bring dance back into my life, suddenly the show, my life and everything got better. I feel happier. I didn’t mean to steal the show but I feel like creativity is important because it opens us up to the next piece, which is intuition to all of that joy and full experience of life.
The big piece is that we try to control everything. After I lost my house to wildfire, I had this big plaque up on my wall. I still have it. It says, “Let go.” How many situations have I had since then and I’m still working on letting go? We have trouble letting go. When you let go, you can always let go a lot more. When you think you’re not holding on, you’re still holding on. Even when I started my painting, I was still trying to control it. That’s like with watercolor. You do this. What I’m doing now is do different techniques but allow things to flow. You have no control over the way that it looks, for the most part, which is the outcome.
The biggest thing for adults is to let go, stay out of the way and stay out of control. This is the part of trusting and allowing. That’s what opens us up. If we’re always pushing against it, we can’t get where we want to go. That’s the biggest piece when you’re dancing, especially. You’re all over the place. You’re carefree like a child. A lot of people still don’t get that concept. I dance and feel awkward.[bctt tweet=”If you want to be stronger, start taking action in anything that you do. Throw yourself into the fire because that’s the refining process.” username=””]
I’ve done such random things like walking around the house talking to myself or looking in the mirror, making stupid faces and funny sounds, then I think, “There’s something wrong with me.” I thought, “No.” We’re like these childlike spirits. We are meant to experiment, be goofy and play around. We’ve lost that capability somewhere along the line. It looks stupid when you dance but nobody’s watching. I look stupid when I dance. I don’t care.
All of the painting and all of this stuff has opened you up. I want to hear the attracting your house story. Could you share that with us? I’m so excited. I’m waiting. Tell me what happened.
Joe is going through his divorce. He had his house. We spent four months packing up his estate. We were living in a leased house. During COVID, we want to move out of state, but we’re not sure what’s going to happen. We’re going to stay in the leased house for a while so we can let things open up and see what happens. We come back after packing up the estate and the guy who owns the house says, “You’ve got to move in a month and a half because I’m selling the house.”
Monkey wrench, this is life. It throws us bombs and curveballs. That’s what it does. You can get mad all you want. At first, we were incredibly annoyed. I was exhausted from packing up an entire house, 600 boxes of books and all that other stuff. We said, “What can we do next?” We drove to Austin for several days. We thought, “We’ll look in Austin.”
The market there was going crazy, as you know. Eight people lined up to buy $100,000 over the selling price. It would take us seven hours a day to get there and get back to see four houses. After that, we were exhausted. We started looking here in the area we’re in. We looked at one house, put an offer on it, loved it. It was funny because Joe was trying all these different things to make it happen. He was in the middle of a divorce, so it was difficult, but he was trying to make it happen anyway.
You get your hopes up to get something, but you also have to be a little bit open. We went and decided to look at a couple of other houses. Initially, after seeing the one you wanted, the rest looked like dogs. It was funny because when things weren’t working out, I had this hit. I was like, “Let’s go back and look at a couple of these houses again.” We came back and looked at this one. I started seeing possibilities. Out of the blue, I walked in and was like, “When I walked in here the first time, I didn’t even look at it and now I’ve seen possibility. It wasn’t everything that we wanted. It wasn’t exactly perfect but there was a possibility there. It was one of the nicer ones that we saw.”
We left and I’m like, “If this doesn’t go through, we better get it. It’s going to be off the market.” It was strange because the way that it happened was synchronistic. One day, we were looking at other houses and this one popped up. Somebody told us about that. My sister texted me. She goes, “What about that one that you were looking out for?” It was all very random information. It was almost like this giant confirmation from the universe, “Go look at that house.”
Unbeknownst to us, the other one did fall through. Initially, we didn’t know what was happening. It took a while. We came back to this house. Sure enough, it was still in the market. We found that it had been on the market for a year and there was no reason for it to be on the market for a year. The whole thing is that we attracted this house. We believe that this house was sitting here waiting for us. That’s what we believe because the way it happened, it was like this random house sitting in the middle of a grassy lot. It was putting out fillers and information for us. Randomly, we came to it and then we left it, then it kept popping back in. That’s where we ended up moving to it.
It was amazing because if we keep our eyes open, surrender and say, “Where do you want me to go?” Look at the possibilities. Watch for the synchronicities and intuitive hits because that’s how we live our lives. You will get led to the right place. If you’re at the wrong place, you’ll know it. Even if you don’t believe that that place was the wrong place, like the first place, I guarantee you.
As a matter of fact, somebody was telling us about it. It was along the waterway and the lake. There were a lot of trees at the bottom. Somebody told us about water moccasins or some snakes here in Texas. It lives in the trees. They plant their eggs in the mud. If you wrestle the trees, they will fall on you. They’re aggressive. I started thinking about all the things in Texas that could have happened in that other house. I thought something wasn’t right. You’ve got to trust your gut. Trust what you get, play the game and watch for the signs.
More than anything, you have to take action based on what to get.
Instead of being in your head and stuck on something else. A lot of times, we think we want something but we have no idea what we want or what’s good for us. It was a pretty cool house hunting experience. We did that in less than six weeks. We found the house after almost a month. We’re going to have to move out and move into another one. It all happened very quickly, but we were divinely guided and it was amazing.
I wanted Lisa to tell this story because it shows you that life can happen so much more in flow if you open up your creativity and intuition. We’re so used to push and make it happen in this masculine hunter industry in the real estate world. There is a place for that. Ladies who are reading, please know. I understand there’s a place for that but we can bring feminine intuition and creativity into that so that when we’re hunting, we’re hunting based on signs that we’ve gotten from our intuition. We don’t need to go out and hunt blind. We don’t have to.
Men have to do that. They don’t have all the advantages we’ve got. We have all these resources that men don’t have access to. They get access to different resources. For us, it’s intuition, getting the messages and knowing where to hunt. Where do you go? Where do you take your action? Opening to take that action, what are the results? It’s taking the messages from those results too.
You want to be where you’re supposed to be. I don’t want to be stuck in a place that is a big gigantic mistake, especially if you’re spending $1 million or something like that. Even if you’re spending less than that, that’s a lot of hard-earned money. I love the creativity piece, even when you’re looking at houses. I don’t know what Joe talked to you about, but it’s so cool to play with possibility when you’re looking at houses or selling a house.
Many people, when they walk in, they show it and walk out. There’s no joy and fun. There are no smells in the house. There’s no anything. I don’t know about you, but I used to do seminars. I would take my energy work and go around the room. There are all kinds of cool things when you are selling a house or when you’re buying a house that you can do to get aligned.
When you’re in that creative and intuitive space, you walk in and see something that nobody else will see. Every home has its own personality. You can marry your personality with that personality and what can it create. That’s a different way of looking at it. You have to be coming from the filters of creativity in that case.[bctt tweet=”Look stupid when you dance. Who cares? Nobody’s watching.” username=””]
I was playing with the idea of it and Joe and I did it with his estate. When you were saying that houses have their own personality, they are alive. When you think about there are beings in that house, there’s energy from all kinds of people in that house and things that happen in that house, good, bad, whatever. If you go into a house, it’s great to talk to the house to bless the house. If you’re leaving a house, it’s great to pray over the house and thank the house for being an incredible place of learning and love. I’m getting chills when I say it. If somebody is reading, this is for you out there. It’s part of the creative piece where the feminine is allowing these things to come through because otherwise, we miss all the beautiful possibilities and experiences. You don’t know what’s going to happen.
I have to tell you one more story. When I lost my house to wildfire, we rebuilt in California. There were people that were living next to us. They were monsters. Every day, I wanted them gone because they were horrible. They moved into the brand new house next to us. I took a mirror every day and faced it in the direction of the house. I sent positive vibrations to that people. I would see those people getting into the U-Haul, leaving and then I would see new people driving up, cool amazing people doing that. I told a few people I was doing it in a week.
They left, put the house up for sale and somebody else that was amazing, which I ended up working for a while, moved into the house. Nobody in the neighborhood believed that. They thought I was a voodoo queen or something. This is the power of intention, intuition, energy and creativity. It’s not something negative. It’s not voodoo. Houses are energy, breathing and being. You can intend what you want and change anything. I had to show you that. All these things came through for your audience.
This conversation has been amazing as they always are with you, Lisa. Thank you so much. We’ll do more. Lisa, could you tell people how they can reach you?
Lisa, this has been an amazing conversation. Thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you for having me.
Ladies, thank you so much for joining Lisa and me for this portion of the show. You know how much I love having you here. I look forward seeing you next time. Until then, remember goals without action are dreams. Get out there, take action and create the life your heart deeply desires. I’ll see you soon.
I love music, singing, painting and dancing around a room to something upbeat. But you know what I love even more? Chocolate cupcakes with gobs of cream filling.
My life was all wrong from the start. I was told I was too much, was terrified of everything and attracted non-stop drama into my life.
I was never comfortable being me. In fact, I didn’t know who “me” was. I was molested at 5 and again, later, by a mentally unstable neighbor boy. I was gang-raped in college, married to a narcissist/sociopath (whom I had a daughter with and later divorced) and constantly sick, depressed and anxious. In 2007, I lost my home to wildfire and 2 months later, was diagnosed with breast cancer. In 2019, I collapsed with neuro-Lyme disease.
That’s a lot.
I was a people-pleaser and victim. I allowed people to walk all over me. I was pissed off all of the time and miserably unhappy. I rarely felt loved or love, except towards my daughter. I was a professional singer and band leader for 40 years, yet because I felt incapable and undeserving of success, my career never “took off” the way I wanted it to.
I used to wonder why the hell I was even here. I didn’t fit in, I didn’t like myself, I wasn’t happy or productive. What was wrong with me? After the fire and breast cancer, I knew that if I didn’t change the course of my life, I would probably die much sooner than I wanted to. So, I left a 15-year toxic relationship and went in search of my reason for being here.
That was a huge decision and a game changer. I took a stand for me. When you engage Source energy, start to ask questions and take bold action, the trajectory of your life shifts. You start slowly (or sometimes quickly) moving toward what’s been calling you.
I now have a #1 international best-seller, “Your Turning Point,” a companion workbook and an Italian version of my book. I’m the co-host of The Mindset Reset TV Show. I coach private clients, create fun and flowing works of art, am featured on national podcasts and radio shows, speak virtually and live to audiences around the globe, have a beautiful, talented daughter, and live and teach with the love of my life, Dr. Joe Vitale. And, I continue to elevate and be inspired every day! Life never stops moving!!
I believe that anyone who has a deep desire to change their life, can and will, when they make the decision and take action. We all have inner resources that are available to us 24/7. We all have the capability of living in a state of joy no matter what happens “to” us. What if we took our eyes off of what’s wrong and put them on what’s right and what we love? What if everything in our lives is already perfect and we’re just getting in the way of our own happiness and success? What if there is no healing to be done, only alignment with our true Source?? What if??
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Moneeka Sawyer is often described as one of the most blissful people you will ever meet. She has been investing in Real Estate for over 20 years, so has been through all the different cycles of the market. Still, she has turned $10,000 into over $5,000,000, working only 5-10 hours per MONTH with very little stress.
While building her multi-million dollar business, she has traveled to over 55 countries, dances every single day, supports causes that are important to her, and spends lots of time with her husband of over 20 years.
She is the international best-selling author of the multiple award-winning books “Choose Bliss: The Power and Practice of Joy and Contentment” and “Real Estate Investing for Women: Expert Conversations to Increase Wealth and Happiness the Blissful Way.”
Moneeka has been featured on stages including Carnegie Hall and Nasdaq, radio, podcasts such as Achieve Your Goals with Hal Elrod, and TV stations including ABC, CBS, FOX, and the CW, impacting over 150 million people.